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Expansions can add a lot to games, and most of the time the additions are wonderful. What's the game that changed so drastically that you wish you could easily go back to the original?

For me it's definitely Viticulture. Tuscany added some great concepts, but the game take SO MUCH LONGER to play with the expansion. On top of that, once you've mixed the elements, resetting to the base game can be an absolute pain.

What's a game that you prefer the base version for?

<div class="md">Expansions can add a lot to games, and most of the time the additions are wonderful. What&#39;s the game that changed so drastically that you wish you could easily go back to the original?

For me it&#39;s definitely Viticulture. Tuscany added some great concepts, but the game take SO MUCH LONGER to play with the expansion. On top of that, once you&#39;ve mixed the elements, resetting to the base game can be an absolute pain.

What&#39;s a game that you prefer the base version for?
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What game do you hate the expansion for?

   Even if you get what you want in Spring it doesn’t mean that supporting tiles will come out in the other seasons or that you’ll be able to win the auction for the tiles that you were hoping to pick up.  This adds a lot of variability to Keyflower since each game plays out differently from the last due to the tile mix and how the players interact and assess what is available.  Auction games often create variation by challenging players to assess what things are worth based on the game state, this is done extremely well in Keyflower.

This leads into the problem that I had in my very first game.  It is incredibly hard to figure out what you are supposed to be doing in the first half of the game when the scoring tiles don’t actually show up until the last two rounds.  Unless you have a really good teacher, chances are you’ll just be guessing at what a decent strategy is during your first game and then see if you can pull everything together when the scoring tiles arrive in Autumn and Winter.  What I experienced was frustration at wanting to be able to correlate my actions with earning points

  Next to the boats there are turn order tiles which players can bid on (but not use) in order to determine the order that they will get to select one of these boats.

  Now imagine trying to do both of those things at the same time while having limited resources that are shared between those tasks.  All players have the same limitations but it’s still excruciating to have an action taken that you wanted and get outbid between your turns.  I mean this in the best possible sense, the feeling of uncertainty makes every decision feel important.  I’m aware that tension is not always a selling point for some people but when it is done well I find it to be extremely alluring

Review: Keyflower

So that’s Monday Morning QB — Krewe de Gumbo edition. We’ll be back tomorrow with an in depth look at a deck building, dungeon diving, fantasy game from AEG.

Next up, a favorite of the Gumbo — The Flow of History by Jesse Li and Tasty Minstrel Games. Chris showed up just in time to join in, and he was he only player unfamiliar with the game, so it wasn’t long before we were playing. (If you haven’t read our rules recap and review, you can check it out here).

After playing it three or fourth times at home, I was anxious to try it at the full player count of four players. While waiting for the rest of the Krewe to show, Bradly, Bryan, Mitchell and I launched the game after a short rules explanation.

MMQB says: I have got to abandon my strategy of getting as few red cards as possible. Sniping just does not replace the losses quickly enough. Plus, if we are going to beat Bradly at this game, we are all going to have to pitch in to hate draft some of the combotastic cards he spots.

Monday Morning Quarterback – Istanbul: The Dice Game, The Flow of History, & KeyFlower

 The person who has placed the most will win the bid now. The interesting and compelling thing is that every tile can only occupy one select color of meeple. So, if you're bidding, if you're playing vice versa, all across the board, if a tile's been established as green red yellow, it has to be that so there's this interesting inner play where i might put one yellow out there just to keep anyone else from putting any Of their other colors to start activating or escalating, if i know you have a pile of red behind your screen, maybe i cut you to the chase and just lock a tile out or if you get early access to green, which is an exclusive color that you Actually have to upgrade your meeples to get and you can start monopolizing certain tiles with green when other people don't have access to those meatballs so really interesting, limited pool worker placement interesting bidding mechanics where you're always able to kind of push and shift. What'S here in the marketplace, and then, alongside that, the scoring at the end of the game is really compelling as well you're, actually tile lane so you're building out a grid of rows

 So we have to play it anyways to cover it for our other series. We still need to do a few more plays for sure. I think at least a few two-player head-to-head and it's rated fairly well at four pounds, four and terribly at six, which means we need to get at least one experience at six. Is that how that works? No or we avoid that player count altogether, but i thought we'd do a quick first impressions, shelf or cell update, and this is for two reasons: one we're coming up on the 100th game

 Those are definitely um very powerful used in the right circumstances, especially if you pair them up with high movement tiles like this, i can move four, so i agree, i think more experience is needed. Good, we'll play continuing more. What do you think right now, we've played at three players yeah, i, like three players, um, i wouldn't mind going up to four. It was already going a bit slow at three players, though yep um there's there's a decent amount of like player lag

 Yeah yeah, when are you gon na ask for this at higher player counts? I want to see what it plays at i like the tiling mechanic. I always have like the highlighting mechanic. I like individual city building. I like the interplay between all the players over here where you can be mean and spiteful on the board

The Truth about KeyFlower - Shelf or Sell Review

 I bounced off this so hard. Story telling games just aren't for me, I play games for the mechanics

* Brass: Lancashire (BGG 19) - I've played only the one game many years ago and I actually don't remember much about it. Though I do know I've always wanted to play it again. I placed it at 10th but I'm pretty sure it's going to be higher if I got to play it again.

*First things first, I got this idea from The Brothers Murph who released a video on their Youtube channel this week listing their top 10 games according to BGG rankings, then later posted on their Patreon how they would rank the games in that list. So all credit goes to The Brothers Murph for this fun idea. I hope they won't mind me sharing it here. If you enjoy this I totally recommend you check out their Youtube and Patreon, they do a lot of fun stuff and even their Patreon content is free for everyone.*

Now on to the fun!

Post a comment where you write two lists, first the top 10 games you own and have played and according to their rankings on the Board Game Geek website. Next, reorder that list in descending order to reflect how you would rank them. And let us know a bit about why you rank them in that order!

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I'll start!

My top 10 according to BGG are:

16 - **7 Wonders Duel**

20 - **Wingspan**

24 - **Viticulture Essential Edition**

40 - **The Crew**

53 - **Azul**

65 - **The Quacks of Quedlinburg**

80 - **Architects of the West Kingdom**

92 - **Patchwork**

114 - **Cartographers**

119 - **Res Arcana**

But my order for those would be:

1 - **Patchwork** - my favourite game of all time so it's an easy #1! I think **Patchwork** is unimprovable, it is a wonderful perfect information abstract game with a high skill ceiling. It creates the most exciting moments and difficult decisions. An absolute gem of a game.

2 - **Azul** - I'm a huge fan of open drafting mechanisms that lead to hate drafting as well as tile placement so I guess it's no surprise that both **Patchwork** and **Azul** top my list. This game has great table presence too which never hurts.

3 - **The Quacks of Quedlinburg** - it's just such silly fun! The bag building is well implemented but really what keeps me coming back to Quacks is that push your luck element.

4 - **Architects of the West Kingdom** - it was hard to rank this one because I've only managed to play it once so far. But that one game was up there amongst the most fun I've ever had playing a board game for the first time. It's a really clever worker placement game, perhaps my favourite one, though **Targi** gives it some competition. I think **Architects of the West Kingdom** could climb as high as #2 on this list but I'm not comfortable putting it up there just yet.

5 - **Cartographers** - always a casual good time. This game was my first non **Yahtzee** exposure to the roll/flip and write genre. It's great. I play it quite often and it has held up well to many plays.

6 - **Res Arcana** - I'm hoping this game will climb up higher after a few more plays. I've played it a handful of times and for whatever reason it still hasn't clicked for me. But I love the concept and the art, and I fully expect to have a blast playing this once I've wrapped my head around it a bit more. 

7 - **Viticulture** - I think this game is wonderful but suffers in comparison to **Architects of the West Kingdom**, I played them both on the same day. I'm excited to play **Viticulture** again but it didn't wow me to the same extent as **Architects of the West Kingdom**. 

8 - **Wingspan** - I'll give **Wingspan** credit because of all the overt engine building games I've played, it's the one where I most quickly understood the engine. It's a gorgeous game with fun game play but not a favourite of mine.

9 - **7 Wonders Duel** - I feel kind of sad having **7 Wonders Duel** so low on my list. I love fun open drafting mechanics. Bruno Cathala is my favourite designer. But I don't know, this one doesn't do it for me. Maybe I'll enjoy it more as time goes on. I'm still excited and motivated to play it again. For me confusing iconography can really impede my enjoyment of a game. When I compare the iconography of this game to other games on this list that are heavy in iconography, I find this one has the worst use of iconography. I'm constantly having to refer back to the rule book when I play this game which gets in the way of immersing myself in the experience. 

10 - **The Crew** - I've played through a bunch of the earlier missions at two players. I don't know if trick taking games are just not my thing, if this game really suffers at two players or if it will improve as the missions become increasingly more complicated. But so far we've accomplished every mission on the first attempt and I find it pretty dull.

Final thoughts: it's interesting to me how my rankings are almost in reverse order to the BGG rankings. I tend to prefer lighter games and love abstracts. I find BGG skews heavy and doesn't tend to favour abstracts (**Azul** is the top abstract game on BGG and only clocks in at 53 in the overall rankings!), so it's not too surprising that games like **Patchwork**, **Azul** and **Cartographers** are ranked a bit lower on BGG.

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Now it's your turn! Simply go to your "owned" list on Board Game Geek. At the top of the page click "columns" and add a column for the game's rank. Then sort your games by rank. I'm excited to see what everyone's lists look like and hear more about your thoughts on them!

Plus, if you want to expand on it more then share what games you're surprised don't reach your top 10 according to BGG! And what are your overall thoughts on how your ranking compares to BGG's?

<div class="md">First things first, I got this idea from The Brothers Murph who released a video on their Youtube channel this week listing their top 10 games according to BGG rankings, then later posted on their Patreon how they would rank the games in that list. So all credit goes to The Brothers Murph for this fun idea. I hope they won&#39;t mind me sharing it here. If you enjoy this I totally recommend you check out their Youtube and Patreon, they do a lot of fun stuff and even their Patreon content is free for everyone.

Now on to the fun!

Post a comment where you write two lists, first the top 10 games you own and have played, according to their rankings on the Board Game Geek website. Next, reorder that list in descending order to reflect how you would rank them. And let us know a bit about why you rank them in that order!

Edit for clarity: out of the games you own/have played, which 10 are ranked the highest on Board Game Geek? Now take those same 10 games and put them in order according to your preferences. So, it&#39;s not what your 10 favourite games are and how they rank on BGG. It&#39;s what 10 games BGG considers the best of the ones you&#39;ve played, and how you would personally rank those games.

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I&#39;ll start!

My top 10 according to BGG are:

16 - 7 Wonders Duel

20 - Wingspan

24 - Viticulture Essential Edition

40 - The Crew

53 - Azul

65 - The Quacks of Quedlinburg

80 - Architects of the West Kingdom

92 - Patchwork

114 - Cartographers

119 - Res Arcana

But my order for those would be:

1 - Patchwork - my favourite game of all time so it&#39;s an easy #1! I think Patchwork is unimprovable, it is a wonderful perfect information abstract game with a high skill ceiling. It creates the most exciting moments and difficult decisions. An absolute gem of a game.

2 - Azul - I&#39;m a huge fan of open drafting mechanisms that lead to hate drafting as well as tile placement so I guess it&#39;s no surprise that both Patchwork and Azul top my list. This game has great table presence too which never hurts.

3 - The Quacks of Quedlinburg - it&#39;s just such silly fun! The bag building is well implemented but really what keeps me coming back to Quacks is that push your luck element.

4 - Architects of the West Kingdom - it was hard to rank this one because I&#39;ve only managed to play it once so far. But that one game was up there amongst the most fun I&#39;ve ever had playing a board game for the first time. It&#39;s a really clever worker placement game, perhaps my favourite one, though Targi gives it some competition. I think Architects of the West Kingdom could climb as high as #2 on this list but I&#39;m not comfortable putting it up there just yet.

5 - Cartographers - always a casual good time. This game was my first non Yahtzee exposure to the roll/flip and write genre. It&#39;s great. I play it quite often and it has held up well to many plays.

6 - Res Arcana - I&#39;m hoping this game will climb up higher after a few more plays. I&#39;ve played it a handful of times and for whatever reason it still hasn&#39;t clicked for me. But I love the concept and the art, and I fully expect to have a blast playing this once I&#39;ve wrapped my head around it a bit more. 

7 - Viticulture - I think this game is wonderful but suffers in comparison to Architects of the West Kingdom, I played them both on the same day. I&#39;m excited to play Viticulture again but it didn&#39;t wow me to the same extent as Architects of the West Kingdom. 

8 - Wingspan - I&#39;ll give Wingspan credit because of all the overt engine building games I&#39;ve played, it&#39;s the one where I most quickly understood the engine. It&#39;s a gorgeous game with fun game play but not a favourite of mine.

9 - 7 Wonders Duel - I feel kind of sad having 7 Wonders Duel so low on my list. I love fun open drafting mechanics. Bruno Cathala is my favourite designer. But I don&#39;t know, this one doesn&#39;t do it for me. Maybe I&#39;ll enjoy it more as time goes on. I&#39;m still excited and motivated to play it again. For me confusing iconography can really impede my enjoyment of a game. When I compare the iconography of this game to other games on this list that are heavy in iconography, I find this one has the worst use of iconography. I&#39;m constantly having to refer back to the rule book when I play this game which gets in the way of immersing myself in the experience. 

10 - The Crew - I&#39;ve played through a bunch of the earlier missions at two players. I don&#39;t know if trick taking games are just not my thing, if this game really suffers at two players or if it will improve as the missions become increasingly more complicated. But so far we&#39;ve accomplished every mission on the first attempt and I find it pretty dull.

Final thoughts: it&#39;s interesting to me how my rankings are almost in reverse order to the BGG rankings. I tend to prefer lighter games and love abstracts. I find BGG skews heavy and doesn&#39;t tend to favour abstracts (Azul is the top abstract game on BGG and only clocks in at 53 in the overall rankings!), so it&#39;s not too surprising that games like Patchwork, Azul and Cartographers are ranked a bit lower on BGG.

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Now it&#39;s your turn! Simply go to your &quot;owned&quot; list on Board Game Geek. At the top of the page click &quot;columns&quot; and add a column for the game&#39;s rank. Then sort your games by rank. I&#39;m excited to see what everyone&#39;s lists look like and hear more about your thoughts on them!

Plus, if you want to expand on it more then share what games you&#39;re surprised don&#39;t reach your top 10 according to BGG! And what are your overall thoughts on how your ranking compares to BGG&#39;s?

Edit: this is a lot of fun so far! Thanks all! I don&#39;t think I&#39;ll be able to keep up with responding to all of the comments but I&#39;m greatly enjoying reading them all. I hope you guys are too. Also, I&#39;m regretting centering this around games you own, feel free to include any games you&#39;ve played whether you own them or not!

Final edit (I think!): I highly recommend you sort the comments by new! There are a lot of fantastic newer comments. Thanks all!
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What are your top 10 games according to BGG rankings? And how would you rank them?

 So the way this game works is that each tile has got six sides right and depending on where you're sitting on the table, you'll have a side of the hex allocator. If you've got six players, every player is going to have a side of the hex allocated to them right, and you do this in like a logical manner. If you have got any kind of logic whatsoever. So first thing, you're going to do is you're going to set up the new season right, you're, going to set up the boats, we're going to stick a load of meeples on the boats right you're, going to set up the turn, all the tiles which you can Bid on in order to go first, second, third, fourth, in the next round, we'll draw new season tiles and in the winter bit of this select, which winter season tiles you're going to want to use from your hand right

 So you might have the fare, and this allows you to convert one red meatball into two green meeples. All you might have to store - and this converts one blue worker into one green worker. One thing about this is you can pay the relevant resources to upgrade atari and you flip it over, and then it becomes a more powerful version of the previous thing right. So if you have upgraded the hiring fare, it allows you to turn one tool in the free tools and likewise, if you upgrade the mason, then you can trade in one pickaxe for free gold right

 We generally like to talk a load of bollocks about tabletop gaming in general and in this video we're gon na be talking about a 2012 euro style tile line game. We'Re going to be talking about key flower and in this game, you'll be bidding on tiles, placing them into your village you'll, be using your tiles, or maybe your opponent's style, to give you victory points that will allow you to win the game. So in this video i'm going to be giving you a very brief overview of the rules, we tell you what we do like we don't like and then we'll come back and we'll say whether or not key flower is still worth your time with bother 10 years After it was first bloody released, it seems like it was released yesterday. So remember if you knew it

 You might end up gifting other people meeples right if they have the lucrative tile. So this makes the auction of the tiles that much more important you're going to have to make a decision as to whether or not it's going to be more beneficial for you to block your opponent or whether or not it's going to be more beneficial for you. Let them have that tile when you take something else. So the final thing that we like about key flat is that the bidding in turn order is a very, very important mechanism this, because it means that you get first dibs on the new tiles that are going to come out each season, but it also means you're

Keyflower Board Game Review - Still Worth It?

 Well, the house screens are cool, but the engineering on them is a little bit. Dodgy. They're meant to lock in the corners by these really literally paper-thin chimneys that you stick down in slots to prevent them from opening and they're kind of rolly polly and a little bit tumbly and they could flip over accidentally.

 And it's a little tough to get people's minds around the idea that you can place meeples on other people's farms and use their upgrade tiles to upgrade your stuff.. Maybe a good analogy is that it's like an Amish barn, raising and you're, calling your neighbors over to help you flip your tiles over and make them better. I don't know

 Instead of bidding, you can place a meeple on the center of that tile.. But again, if it's locked to a certain colour or certain currency, you either lock it to that currency by playing the first meeple there or you have to abide by that locked currency by playing a meeple or more meeples that match that colour. Huh

 You lead off with THREE meeples on the tile., So nobody can place four, because that would make it over six.. That would put seven meeples on the tile

Is Keyflower fun?

Keyflower is a worker placement, auction,
tile-laying, city-building game for 2-6

But before we do, i'm going to be talking
about Keyflower as though you already

If you don't already know how to play, i
made a How to Play video

Please watch that
first, and then we can all be on the same

You've got a
gigantic pile of hexagonal cardboard

tiles, and they're all sorted into four
different seasons:

You have to
have all those separated, presumably in

plastic baggies, which the game does
supply,

shuffle them all up, and then you have to
have just a certain number depending on

your player count, so you have to check
the

You have to
make sure that you separate one of the

meeple colours out from the other meeple
colours before you play,

and just the result is that you've got a
big empty box with no

insert to speak of, and everything jammed
into all these plastic baggies, which i

actually took to printing out office
labels to label my baggies to remind me

of how many different tiles in the
different seasons go out depending on

But don't worry: i'm
going to address this in an upcoming

Not fun: the game hands you some winter
tiles, and you have to decide on a few

to keep, and those tiles aren't going to
come out until the end of the game.

So you're a little bit like Babe Ruth,
kind of calling your shots, and thinking

like
"Okay, i have a tile that rewards me for

for having a bunch of different colours
of meeples at the end of the game,

The
interesting thing, by the way though,

is that at the end of the game, IF you
decide to put that tile out for auction

And
so you've been building all the way to

this certain goal,
and somebody snipes it from you.

But what i don't like about
it is that if you're introducing this

game
to new players, they sit there with these

new tiles... you have to explain
what all of the icons mean and how the

entire game is played before they can
make that initial decision

i don't like games that require new
players to make decisions based on

information
they don't have, can't possibly have, and

are at a disadvantage making those
decisions.

i've seen it handled better in games
like Res Arcana, where the rulebook

Deal these out to everybody, and then
once you play one game and everybody's

familiar,
then next game, what you really want to

do is draft, because that's how this game
is supposed to be played."

i think that Keyflower could use a
little bit of an easing in mode for

new players, especially if they're
joining experienced players.

Fun: the core of the game - that auction
system!

i have played board games with auction
systems in them.

But i ain't never
seen an auction quite like the one in

There are hexes out on the
table that you want to bid on so they

You bid on those hexes by placing
your meeples on the edge of the hexagon

In order to win the tile, you have
to place more meeples than whoever's

currently leading the bid on their edge
of the tile.

So far, that all sounds like a standard
auction game.

is that the colour of the meeple that you
use to bid matters!

If you bid on a tile with a blue meeple,
that auction is locked to blue meeples

on that tile for the rest of
the auction round.

And the game has three
different colours of meeples: blue,

So that's essentially
like an auction where you're dealing

with
three completely different currencies.

Depending on how the deal works out, you
could have tiles that let you get

And what's cool about that
is that if you're the only player with

green meeples,
as soon as you plunk one of those

suckers down, you've locked that auction
green so that's your tile!

Nobody can do anything about it, unless
they somehow get a green meeple

So you're essentially, like, paying for
the auction in Bitcoin.

In addition, most of the tiles you're
bidding for have a fun:ction in the

Instead of bidding, you can place a
meeple on the center of that tile.

But again, if it's locked to a certain
colour or certain currency,

 So we go from spring to summer and they're going to be seven tiles in a three-player game, oriented in the same way and of course, you'll see that the abilities get better. On the tiles as you go so you'll be able to generate special workers, for example in this store here, there will be more tiles, of course, but I could place a worker on here then throw away a blue worker and get a green worker. Now green workers are special because they aren't one of the main currencies of the game when you bid with them they're hard to outbid because they're a rare commodity and anybody that has green workers will have an advantage because placing them out means the other players have To bid in green workers, and if they don't have them, they simply can't outbid you or use the tile that you've already placed on a good commodity to have. In addition, at the beginning of the next round, as well you're going to take a look at these tiles here and you're going to see if any of them flip over, they have markers on them for the seasons

 In addition to this you're going to have to bid on these tiles and see who wins, these tiles and the winner of these tiles is going to get their choice of the first boat that's available over here on the side. You'Ll see these boats have workers on them, as well as some skill tiles, and it tells you on these tiles how many to place there. They have their choice of the boat and they can choose which one they want. First and they're going to get all of the workers from that, as well as the skill, tiles and place them into the supply

 Now, all of the tiles do different things. You'Ll see that there are these seven tiles available in the first round of the game, and some of them are going to be more transport tiles, allowing you to move resources from one tile to the next along these roads. You'Ll see there are roads on them. In this three different directions and your home tile has five roads on it

 I probably wouldn't take black because I probably want to upgrade my home tile eventually, so maybe I take one of these grey resources and I place it there. This now is a blue tile, and anybody that wants to bid for it is going to have to bid with blue workers. So you'll see that once the tiles either been bid for it can be activated with a blue worker once its bid for the blue worker or if it's been activated, it has to be bid for with blue workers, and this is going to work one way or The other so always once a tile has a worker on it or next to it. You have to use that same color worker, so people are going to go around the table either bidding on these tiles, using their workers or activating the tiles by placing workers on them

Keyflower Review - with Ryan Metzler

**1 x 3p Keyflower** I really enjoyed this again but played poorly. It's so easy to have your plans derailed by playing your own game and not anticipating your tiles or actions being sniped.

Happy Monday, r/boardgames!

It's time to hear what games everyone has been playing for the past ~7 days. Please feel free to share any insights, anecdotes, or thoughts that may have arisen during the course of play. Also, don't forget to comment and discuss other people's games too.

<div class="md">Happy Monday, <a href="/r/boardgames">r/boardgames</a>!

It&#39;s time to hear what games everyone has been playing for the past ~7 days. Please feel free to share any insights, anecdotes, or thoughts that may have arisen during the course of play. Also, don&#39;t forget to comment and discuss other people&#39;s games too.
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What Did You Play This Week? - (February 15, 2021)

As the title says... I am very new in this hobby and I would kinda love to learn the basics of many board game mechanics as soon as possible. What are the games that could do that, but without being overwhelming to a newbie? 
I would love to soon be able to play games like Viticulture, Concordia, Kemet, Great Western Trail... But it doesn't have to be a game with specific mechanics used in those games. I just want to learn as soon as possible as many mechanics as I can. At least the bare basics.

Thanks!

<div class="md">As the title says... I am very new in this hobby and I would kinda love to learn the basics of many board game mechanics as soon as possible. What are the games that could do that, but without being overwhelming to a newbie? 
I would love to soon be able to play games like Viticulture, Concordia, Kemet, Great Western Trail... But it doesn&#39;t have to be a game with specific mechanics used in those games. I just want to learn as soon as possible as many mechanics as I can. At least the bare basics.

Thanks!
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