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SU&amp;SD Beyond The Sun Review - The Best Tech Tree In Games?

That is turn one. Maybe you hire a recruiter, who also lets you hire a person. Now you can hire two people! So you giddily hire a kitchen trainee so you can actually make food, and a marketer so you can construct billboards. Fantastic

 Great! Unfortunately, that doesn’t necessarily mean they are going to be visiting your restaurant.

However, this also makes Food Chain Magnate absolutely engaging from start to finish. There are never any dead turns or unimportant decisions. Literally the first decision of the game can set the tone for the rest of your strategy. For people who want games to challenge them, this is what you’re looking for

Food Chain Magnate First Impression - The Thoughtful Gamer

With Gloomhaven's release, I was curious other games people were really hoping for Digital Adaptations for. It could be your 5 fave unadapted so far, your games you think would make good adaptations, or anything else, etc.

For me, I'd pick **Marvel Champions** as one, and I'm surprised there isn't already one. I just think solo games do well as adaptations.

Then I like the idea of story implementations, so I hope **Now Or Never** gets one too, eventually, assuming its good (haven't played since its new). I haven't played Tainted Grail either or 7th Continent, not sure if those have apps, but I wouldn't mind adaptations of those.

There's some other games I just like in general that I'd like adaptations, but share yours!

<div class="md"><p>With Gloomhaven&#39;s release, I was curious other games people were really hoping for Digital Adaptations for. It could be your 5 fave unadapted so far, your games you think would make good adaptations, or anything else, etc.</p>

<p>For me, I&#39;d pick <strong>Marvel Champions</strong> as one, and I&#39;m surprised there isn&#39;t already one. I just think solo games do well as adaptations.</p>

<p>Then I like the idea of story implementations, so I hope <strong>Now Or Never</strong> gets one too, eventually, assuming its good (haven&#39;t played since its new). I haven&#39;t played Tainted Grail either or 7th Continent, not sure if those have apps, but I wouldn&#39;t mind adaptations of those.</p>

<p>There&#39;s some other games I just like in general that I&#39;d like adaptations, but share yours!</p>
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What's your Top 5 Games You Want Digital Adaptations for?

Poker chips are the way to go. Food Chain Magnate made me absolutely hate paper money.

Let's assume the game does not require placing numerous piles of money around the board negating the possibility of calculators/phones.  


Do you want to deal with the tactile exchanging and change making or not?

<div class="md"><p>Let&#39;s assume the game does not require placing numerous piles of money around the board negating the possibility of calculators/phones.  </p>

<p>Do you want to deal with the tactile exchanging and change making or not?</p>
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If a board game has any sort of currency exchange, do you want paper money included?

There's nothing quite like getting your hands on a copy of a game or expansion you really want that's hard to get. My most satisfying purchase was getting my hands on a copy of the eclipse expansion rise of the ancients for less than $60. At the time they were going for near $600 NZD. I managed to find a store that still had an unsold copy that was on sale.

Interested to hear from anyone else with similar experience.

<div class="md"><p>There&#39;s nothing quite like getting your hands on a copy of a game or expansion you really want that&#39;s hard to get. My most satisfying purchase was getting my hands on a copy of the eclipse expansion rise of the ancients for less than $60. At the time they were going for near $600 NZD. I managed to find a store that still had an unsold copy that was on sale.</p>

<p>Interested to hear from anyone else with similar experience.</p>
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Most satisfying purchase

Do you own any games that you love playing but can rarely get them to the table because you cant find enough people to play with?

I love Eclipse new dawn for the galaxy. At the right player count its one of my favourite games.  Only a few of my friends are willing to play because it can be complex for someone not used to heavier games. 

I play two player a bit and its fine with rise of the ancients but far better at a higher player count.

<div class="md"><p>Do you own any games that you love playing but can rarely get them to the table because you cant find enough people to play with?</p>

<p>I love Eclipse new dawn for the galaxy. At the right player count its one of my favourite games.  Only a few of my friends are willing to play because it can be complex for someone not used to heavier games. </p>

<p>I play two player a bit and its fine with rise of the ancients but far better at a higher player count.</p>
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A game you love but cant find enough people to play it with

Inspired by  [u/tarzan15](https://www.reddit.com/user/tarzan15/)s post, what is a boardgame you own or have played that had a board which you did not like at all? Be it because of the material used, the size, art or whatever. It still can be a game you really like and play often (I think that might be the case most of the time, because if you like the game, these kinds of flaws are even more annoying).

* I think I'll go with **Pandemic**, because most of the city names aren't even close to their real location (yes I know that the location is marked, but still...). 
* **Medici** just looks terrible in my opinion, which can really be a decisive point in wether to buy a game or not. And for me, that would be a clear no.
* **The Quest for El Dorado** may not be terrible in any category, but bad in many. The pieces feel cheap and the art, especially the "coin spaces", look kinda silly (also, even though its not about the board, why would you use small cards for a deckbuilding game?). It's a great game, but damn it could be even better.

<div class="md"><p>Inspired by  <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/tarzan15/">u/tarzan15</a>s post, what is a boardgame you own or have played that had a board which you did not like at all? Be it because of the material used, the size, art or whatever. It still can be a game you really like and play often (I think that might be the case most of the time, because if you like the game, these kinds of flaws are even more annoying).</p>

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<li>I think I&#39;ll go with <strong>Pandemic</strong>, because most of the city names aren&#39;t even close to their real location (yes I know that the location is marked, but still...). </li>
<li><strong>Medici</strong> just looks terrible in my opinion, which can really be a decisive point in wether to buy a game or not. And for me, that would be a clear no.</li>
<li><strong>The Quest for El Dorado</strong> may not be terrible in any category, but bad in many. The pieces feel cheap and the art, especially the &quot;coin spaces&quot;, look kinda silly (also, even though its not about the board, why would you use small cards for a deckbuilding game?). It&#39;s a great game, but damn it could be even better.</li>
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Your least favourite board of all boardgames in your collection?

 I'm just curious which games people have difficulty getting out on the table?

I've been subtly pushing my group to play **Great Western Trail** since purchasing it 2 years ago, and I finally managed to get it open on the table, only for my group to want to play something else because they didn't like the board layout, components, artwork and rule book. The box art and theme does not seem to appeal to many people.

I've also yet to find any enthusiasm for **Keyflower** because of its 'poor' box art and component quality.

My group used to play a lot of **A Game of Thrones: The Board Game** but in 5 years I've yet to find 6-8 people willing to dedicate their evening to play a game of this at full play count. I completely appreciate this given how long the playtime is!

<div class="md"><p>I&#39;m just curious which games people have difficulty getting out on the table?</p>

<p>I&#39;ve been subtly pushing my group to play <strong>Great Western Trail</strong> since purchasing it 2 years ago, and I finally managed to get it open on the table, only for my group to want to play something else because they didn&#39;t like the board layout, components, artwork and rule book. The box art and theme does not seem to appeal to many people.</p>

<p>I&#39;ve also yet to find any enthusiasm for <strong>Keyflower</strong> because of its &#39;poor&#39; box art and component quality.</p>

<p>My group used to play a lot of <strong>A Game of Thrones: The Board Game</strong>, but in 5 years I&#39;ve yet to find 6-8 people willing to dedicate their evening to play a game of this at full play count. I completely appreciate this given how long the playtime is!</p>
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Which games do you struggle to get out on the table?

In my group I'm the one who buys the most games, which means I'm the one who does most of the teaching. I like to think I'm pretty decent at it, but sometimes a game is just difficult to teach, even if it has a simple rule set. Two in particular come to mind:

1. **Sabotage**  
This is a 2v2 hidden movement action programming game. Every round someone rolls a set of dice and everyone alters their dice to match. Use the dice rolled to program your action tiles or upgrade your character, then perform the actions in order. Good guys win if they hack the doomsday weapons enough times. Bad guys win if they kill the good guys enough times.  
That is literally the whole teach. Despite that, it can take a really long time to teach - 45 min plus - because everyone needs to know exactly how all the actions function before they can make intelligent plans. This is even more important because of the hidden aspect of the game - you can't be asking rules questions mid-game. I love it, but teaching it is really hard work.

2. **Hansa Teutonica**  
It's a very basic, very dry euro. You get some number of actions on your turn. You can use actions to get cubes, place cubes, *re*-place cubes, move cubes, or score a route. Sometimes when you score a route people get points, other times you get to upgrade something like number of actions or how many cubes you can get.  Game goes until someone gets 20 points or we score enough routes.  
That's the whole thing. Super simple, super elegant. Loads of depth from a very limited set of choices. But teaching it is painful, because in isolation, none of the rules have meaningful thematic connection to make them easy to grok. Every rule you explain just comes across sounding random and unrelated to everything else. Three turns into playing? Everyone suddenly gets it and has a great time. Before that, everyone is looking at you like you're explaining *Cones of Dunshire*.

<div class="md"><p>In my group I&#39;m the one who buys the most games, which means I&#39;m the one who does most of the teaching. I like to think I&#39;m pretty decent at it, but sometimes a game is just difficult to teach, even if it has a simple rule set. Two in particular come to mind:</p>

<ol>
<li><p><strong>Sabotage</strong><br/>
This is a 2v2 hidden movement action programming game. Every round someone rolls a set of dice and everyone alters their dice to match. Use the dice rolled to program your action tiles or upgrade your character, then perform the actions in order. Good guys win if they hack the doomsday weapons enough times. Bad guys win if they kill the good guys enough times.<br/>
That is literally the whole teach. Despite that, it can take a really long time to teach - 45 min plus - because everyone needs to know exactly how all the actions function before they can make intelligent plans. This is even more important because of the hidden aspect of the game - you can&#39;t be asking rules questions mid-game. I love it, but teaching it is really hard work.</p></li>
<li><p><strong>Hansa Teutonica</strong><br/>
It&#39;s a very basic, very dry euro. You get some number of actions on your turn. You can use actions to get cubes, place cubes, <em>re</em>-place cubes, move cubes, or score a route. Sometimes when you score a route people get points, other times you get to upgrade something like number of actions or how many cubes you can get.  Game goes until someone gets 20 points or we score enough routes.<br/>
That&#39;s the whole thing. Super simple, super elegant. Loads of depth from a very limited set of choices. But teaching it is painful, because in isolation, none of the rules have meaningful thematic connection to make them easy to grok. Every rule you explain just comes across sounding random and unrelated to everything else. Three turns into playing? Everyone suddenly gets it and has a great time. Before that, everyone is looking at you like you&#39;re explaining <em>Cones of Dunshire</em>.</p></li>
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What games have simple rules, but are still difficult to teach?

**Food Chain Magnate** the tension created by the choice of a strategy, the reveal of the cards and then the small recruitment allowing you to leap forward, surprise opponents and sneak a lot of sales ... Then final count and you still lose 

Just curious to hear everyone's stories, look forward to reading them!

<div class="md"><p>Just curious to hear everyone&#39;s stories, look forward to reading them!</p>
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