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Looking for some help, here's what's up:

Preconditions: right hand, fine. Left hand: missing the last ½ of my middle & pinky fingers, & the bone in the tip of the ring never set right so it's constantly tender & bends where it shouldn't (yay US Drs never listening to patients.

Keyboards: 2016 Mac laptop, Dell G7 laptop.

Form in mind: full size, not split

Usecase: general typing for email &c, shortcuts for CAD & Lightroom

Budget: honestly, unsure as I don't know what's reasonable. I have some mechanical aptitude & a friend with a 3D printer, but I cannot code for shit. So my options as I see are 1) get advice on modding a commercial keyboard & DIY 2) commission someone who knows what they're doing for a full build.

Extra info: the main issue, as you likely figured out, is my missing fingers. The stumps can't really reach the keyboard, and while my ring finger can -along with extra wrist movement- pick up the slack, it breaks my flow & the hard stop of the MacBook keys starts to hurt pretty quick. Right now I have to switch between that & what I think of as piano typing- using all 5 fingers of just my right hand from a centered position. My thumb-pinky spread easily reaches A-L so reach isn't a problem, it's speed & trying to use modifiers like for capitals & symbols. 

What I _think_ I need/want, is a mechanical keyboard with light switches to reduce the intensity of each keystroke, potentially with heightened keycaps on the keys that in English & on QWERTY are commonly used by the L5 & L3 fingers so I can reach. 

If there's a development in ergo keyboards I don't know about that might be better, I'm all ears.

Edit: spelling & clarification

<div class="md">Looking for some help, here&#39;s what&#39;s up:

Preconditions: right hand, fine. Left hand: missing the last ½ of my middle &amp; pinky fingers, &amp; the bone in the tip of the ring never set right so it&#39;s constantly tender &amp; bends where it shouldn&#39;t (yay US Drs never listening to patients.

Keyboards: 2016 Mac laptop, Dell G7 laptop.

Form in mind: full size, not split

Usecase: general typing for email &amp;c, shortcuts for CAD &amp; Lightroom

Budget: honestly, unsure as I don&#39;t know what&#39;s reasonable. I have some mechanical aptitude &amp; a friend with a 3D printer, but I cannot code for shit. So my options as I see are 1) get advice on modding a commercial keyboard &amp; DIY 2) commission someone who knows what they&#39;re doing for a full build.

Extra info: the main issue, as you likely figured out, is my missing fingers. The stumps can&#39;t really reach the keyboard, and while my ring finger can -along with extra wrist movement- pick up the slack, it breaks my flow &amp; the hard stop of the MacBook keys starts to hurt pretty quick. Right now I have to switch between that &amp; what I think of as piano typing- using all 5 fingers of just my right hand from a centered position. My thumb-pinky spread easily reaches A-L so reach isn&#39;t a problem, it&#39;s speed &amp; trying to use modifiers like for capitals &amp; symbols. 

What I think I need/want, is a mechanical keyboard with light switches to reduce the intensity of each keystroke, potentially with heightened keycaps on the keys that in English &amp; on QWERTY are commonly used by the L5 &amp; L3 fingers so I can reach. 

If there&#39;s a development in ergo keyboards I don&#39;t know about that might be better, I&#39;m all ears.

Edit: spelling &amp; clarification
</div>

*Condition*: Started getting back pain from slouching forward, but moving the keyboard back resulted in very sore palms and wrists. Moved to Dvorak keyboard layout, which did help a bit in the short term imo.

*Previous Boards*: Matias Quiet Pro Mini. Still love the switch-feel and considering purchasing their Ergo Pro.

*Current Boards*: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard (see **use-case**) - hate the name, adore the board. I also have a gBoards Georgi and Ginny, but they're more for novelty.

*Use-Case*: My criteria are quite odd. I travel, so the KB needs to be portable. Other people often need to use my KB, so it needs a relatively standard layout.

*Budget/Location*: I'm in the UK, and budget was about £300 absolute maximum.

UHK is perfect for me, I can put the halves together and it's almost a standard KB, it's rugged, but small and lightweight, it's fully programmable so I can use hardware Dvorak and add macros, and it's perfectly ergonomic for my needs.

<div class="md">Condition: Started getting back pain from slouching forward, but moving the keyboard back resulted in very sore palms and wrists. Moved to Dvorak keyboard layout, which did help a bit in the short term imo.

Previous Boards: Matias Quiet Pro Mini. Still love the switch-feel and considering purchasing their Ergo Pro.

Current Boards: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard (see use-case) - hate the name, adore the board. I also have a gBoards Georgi and Ginny, but they&#39;re more for novelty.

Use-Case: My criteria are quite odd. I travel, so the KB needs to be portable. Other people often need to use my KB, so it needs a relatively standard layout.

Budget/Location: I&#39;m in the UK, and budget was about £300 absolute maximum.

UHK is perfect for me, I can put the halves together and it&#39;s almost a standard KB, it&#39;s rugged, but small and lightweight, it&#39;s fully programmable so I can use hardware Dvorak and add macros, and it&#39;s perfectly ergonomic for my needs.
</div>

Hi, IT dev/ops person, I have EDS and arthritis runs in my family, it's starting to hurt and I'm scared.  


I've been looking at the Iris or Kyria, but I've never really used a 60% and I kinda need backlighting. 

Coworker recommended the Kinesis Advantage, but I think I would benefit from a staggered layout.

Kinda want an Ergodox Moonlander but I think having too many thumb cluster buttons would tempt my thumbs to stretch out too far.

  


* pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers.
   * Thumb and wrist pains, both hands
      * getting the vertical mouse really helped so I think any tenting would be great.
   * elbow pain right forearm
      * my current TKL is kinda high profile but I think my table is too high also so I'm starting to type on my flatter keyboard on a lapboard. Wireless would be cool.
* previous / current keyboards.
   * Cooler Master CK530 TKL, Cherry MX Red
   * for work, Logitech K750 
   * Ducky pocket numpad, Cherry MX Brown
   * Anker wireless vertical ergo mouse
* layout / form in mind.
   * I have small hands
   * low profile switches/caps would be nice
* use case.
   * work, programming, typing, videogames
* budget and/or location, if applicable.
   * $200 - $400 
   * I can solder to stay on the lower end of the budget but that also sounds painful for my hands right now. $400 is a lot...

<div class="md">Hi, IT dev/ops person, I have EDS and arthritis runs in my family, it&#39;s starting to hurt and I&#39;m scared. 

I&#39;ve been looking at the Iris or Kyria, but I&#39;ve never really used a 60% and I kinda need backlighting. 

Coworker recommended the Kinesis Advantage, but I think I would benefit from a staggered layout.

Kinda want an Ergodox Moonlander but I think having too many thumb cluster buttons would tempt my thumbs to stretch out too far.

<ul>
<li>pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers.

<ul>
<li>Thumb and wrist pains, both hands

<ul>
<li>getting the vertical mouse really helped so I think any tenting would be great.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>elbow pain right forearm

<ul>
<li>my current TKL is kinda high profile but I think my table is too high also so I&#39;m starting to type on my flatter keyboard on a lapboard. Wireless would be cool.</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li>previous / current keyboards.

<ul>
<li>Cooler Master CK530 TKL, Cherry MX Red</li>
<li>for work, Logitech K750 </li>
<li>Ducky pocket numpad, Cherry MX Brown</li>
<li>Anker wireless vertical ergo mouse</li>
</ul></li>
<li>layout / form in mind.

<ul>
<li>I have small hands</li>
<li>low profile switches/caps would be nice</li>
</ul></li>
<li>use case.

<ul>
<li>work, programming, typing, videogames</li>
</ul></li>
<li>budget and/or location, if applicable.

<ul>
<li>$200 - $400 </li>
<li>I can solder to stay on the lower end of the budget but that also sounds painful for my hands right now. $400 is a lot...</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>
</div>

\- Use: author, so LOTS of typing until my hands fall off... almost literally.

\- Pre-existing conditions: 9 months post-op for deQuervain's in right wrist + arthritis in both thumbs and pointers + forearm tendonitis. LIMITED passive motion in right thumb (approx. 45 degrees vs 90 degrees in left thumb)

\- Current keyboard: das Keyboard model S Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue. Too hard to press keys on bad pain days.

\- Budget: $$$$$ -- I don't care what I have to pay to not want to cut off my own arms with a hot machete. Premade or DIY doesn't matter.

\- Layout/form: going back and forth on an Iris, Lily, Kinesis Freestyle, or ergodox, but I've only ever used a regular full sized keyboard so I have no idea how I'll do. Tenting also sounds like it would feel SOOOO good for my forearms and take the pressure off the muscles.

\- Bonus: switches? Prefer light, easy to press with minimal travel (Kailh Speed Copper? Gateron Clear or Silent Clear?)

<div class="md">- Use: author, so LOTS of typing until my hands fall off... almost literally.

- Pre-existing conditions: 9 months post-op for deQuervain&#39;s in right wrist + arthritis in both thumbs and pointers + forearm tendonitis. LIMITED passive motion in right thumb (approx. 45 degrees vs 90 degrees in left thumb)

- Current keyboard: das Keyboard model S Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue. Too hard to press keys on bad pain days.

- Budget: $$$$$ -- I don&#39;t care what I have to pay to not want to cut off my own arms with a hot machete. Premade or DIY doesn&#39;t matter.

- Layout/form: going back and forth on an Iris, Lily, Kinesis Freestyle, or ergodox, but I&#39;ve only ever used a regular full sized keyboard so I have no idea how I&#39;ll do. Tenting also sounds like it would feel SOOOO good for my forearms and take the pressure off the muscles.

- Bonus: switches? Prefer light, easy to press with minimal travel (Kailh Speed Copper? Gateron Clear or Silent Clear?)
</div>

Reposting my comment in hopes of getting some advice. I am looking at the ErgoDox EZ as well as their new Moonlander and the Kinesis Advantage but am open to other options including a fully custom setup. I know I need to move quickly if I’m going for the Moonlander due to limited supply. 


Pre-existing conditions: None. Trying to avoid developing one. I do have extremely long arms, broad shoulders, and large hands (but thin fingers). I am also concerned about keeping my hands far enough apart to avoid awkward wrist configurations since I have such long arms and broad shoulders, which is the biggest reason why I haven’t already bought a Kinesis. Lastly, I’m also concerned about excessive wrist extension which may be an issue with the Moonlander. 

Current: Wireless Logitech keyboard

Layout: Whatever is easiest on my body without slowing down my typing. Don’t care much about looks but would prefer something black if possible to match the vertical mouse I just bought. Prefer blank keys so I can change programming of individual keys if needed. 

Use Case: Coding and writing emails. I am not a full-time programmer and don’t type as much as one but just want to be safe. I use brackets, parentheses, quotes, and the F keys a lot when I do code, so something where these are easily accessible (and preferably without having to hold Shift for parentheses and quotes) would be preferable. I am open to alternative layouts but not sure about DVORAK or MALTRON since I don’t want to screw up my ability to type on other people’s keyboards if I don’t have to.

Location: Illinois

Budget: I would spend $350 or more on the right thing. Cost isn’t a huge constraint for me.

<div class="md">Reposting my comment in hopes of getting some advice. I am looking at the ErgoDox EZ as well as their new Moonlander and the Kinesis Advantage but am open to other options including a fully custom setup. I know I need to move quickly if I’m going for the Moonlander due to limited supply. 

Pre-existing conditions: None. Trying to avoid developing one. I do have extremely long arms, broad shoulders, and large hands (but thin fingers). I am also concerned about keeping my hands far enough apart to avoid awkward wrist configurations since I have such long arms and broad shoulders, which is the biggest reason why I haven’t already bought a Kinesis. Lastly, I’m also concerned about excessive wrist extension which may be an issue with the Moonlander. 

Current: Wireless Logitech keyboard

Layout: Whatever is easiest on my body without slowing down my typing. Don’t care much about looks but would prefer something black if possible to match the vertical mouse I just bought. Prefer blank keys so I can change programming of individual keys if needed. 

Use Case: Coding and writing emails. I am not a full-time programmer and don’t type as much as one but just want to be safe. I use brackets, parentheses, quotes, and the F keys a lot when I do code, so something where these are easily accessible (and preferably without having to hold Shift for parentheses and quotes) would be preferable. I am open to alternative layouts but not sure about DVORAK or MALTRON since I don’t want to screw up my ability to type on other people’s keyboards if I don’t have to.

Location: Illinois

Budget: I would spend $350 or more on the right thing. Cost isn’t a huge constraint for me.
</div>

* pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers: \~25+ years of using "whatever" keyboard at work, 8 work hours/day often heavy typing, plus a non-trivial amount of home use. Currently dealing with recurring stress/inflammation starting at my right shoulder blade all the way down to index and middle fingers on right hand. May also be related to trimming spinnaker while sailing the last few years (huge sail, lots of gripping and pulling), and right-handed mouse use for \~25+ years (switched to left hand when this started \~2 years ago).  Not yet professionally evaluated.. I'll get around to that, I swear. Left hand/arm/everything seems "fine."
* previous / current keyboards: aforementioned "whatever." Currently Logitech K120.
* layout / form in mind: Full split - I'm large (6'3") - not particularly proportionately broad shoulders but definitely not happy/comfortable with my wrists angled inwards. Keypadless for sure - I never ever use it. Arrow keys I do use. Function keys I like having, and they're out of the way. 
   * Dished seems like a plus, but there aren't any dished pre-built(?)
   * I have relatively large hands, so spacing out the keys in dished seems necessary, or I'll end up cramping myself, rather than helping.
   * (edit) Currently considering, based on the helpful guides(!):
      * ErgoDox EZ
      * SmartYao/KoolerTron
      * Matias ErgoPro
* use case: Linux/UNIX command line, VIM, MacOS (again, lots of command line), lots of text chat - Slack, IRC, etc.
   * I do not want to attempt to become "way more efficient" by learning all sorts of chording and context switching, etc. Small/incremental change is fine.
* budget: I haven't seen a keyboard yet ($400? more?) that was too expensive for me as a \*professional work tool\* that I use all the time, and reduces/prevents injury. Are there any full time professional mechanics, or carpenters that spend $30 on any of their central tools?
* location: USA

&#x200B;

Outside the main questions:

* (edit) I'm not into soldering, and don't really want to learn (right now), and definitely don't want a new hobby/project, but do want a more ergonomic keyboard, right now.
* Damn, I'm having lots of regrets. I really really do not understand how in the 90's, there were people who worked all day, every day at the keyboard, and didn't think "I should spend as much as possible for the best quality tool for this" - \*AND\* share that outlook with everyone around them. But - like a lot of young people in a \*LOT\* of work contexts, particularly men, particularly in the US we say "oh I'm tough, this isn't a problem, it isn't going to be a problem, because I'm tough." Or whatever. Total bullshit. I do think my current situation is a rather specific injury, rather than an accumulation of 25+ years of professional work, but even so.
* Adding to the above, \*every\* employer should readily, willingly, and even eagerly set a budget of $500 every 3-5 years for a professional keyboard for every employee that is expected to use it all day, every day. Plus, of course, not skimp on high-DPI monitor(s) and computers with enough RAM and CPU \*plus at least 20%\* for their day-to-day tasks. Anything less is very short-sighted. But - unlike the computer/monitor situation, the cheap crappy keyboard now "price" is paid much later, typically. But y'know.. this is the US and worker exploitation is rampant.
* (edit, amendment) Is there a good reason to use baseboard PCBs for most/all of these? It seems like a large number of wires (wire loom) would allow \*perfect\* customization of they keybed, including spacing, dishing, ortholinear vs not, etc etc etc with a 3D printer. Call it "mass customization" if you will. I swear - if there was ever a time for mass customization, this is it. Of course, there would still need to be a PCB (or two) for the microcontroller(s), USB connector mount, LEDs etc

<div class="md"><ul>
<li>pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers: ~25+ years of using &quot;whatever&quot; keyboard at work, 8 work hours/day often heavy typing, plus a non-trivial amount of home use. Currently dealing with recurring stress/inflammation starting at my right shoulder blade all the way down to index and middle fingers on right hand. May also be related to trimming spinnaker while sailing the last few years (huge sail, lots of gripping and pulling), and right-handed mouse use for ~25+ years (switched to left hand when this started ~2 years ago). Not yet professionally evaluated.. I&#39;ll get around to that, I swear. Left hand/arm/everything seems &quot;fine.&quot;</li>
<li>previous / current keyboards: aforementioned &quot;whatever.&quot; Currently Logitech K120.</li>
<li>layout / form in mind: Full split - I&#39;m large (6&#39;3&quot;) - not particularly proportionately broad shoulders but definitely not happy/comfortable with my wrists angled inwards. Keypadless for sure - I never ever use it. Arrow keys I do use. Function keys I like having, and they&#39;re out of the way. 

<ul>
<li>Dished seems like a plus, but there aren&#39;t any dished pre-built(?)</li>
<li>I have relatively large hands, so spacing out the keys in dished seems necessary, or I&#39;ll end up cramping myself, rather than helping.</li>
<li>(edit) Currently considering, based on the helpful guides(!):

<ul>
<li>ErgoDox EZ</li>
<li>SmartYao/KoolerTron</li>
<li>Matias ErgoPro</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
<li>use case: Linux/UNIX command line, VIM, MacOS (again, lots of command line), lots of text chat - Slack, IRC, etc.

<ul>
<li>I do not want to attempt to become &quot;way more efficient&quot; by learning all sorts of chording and context switching, etc. Small/incremental change is fine.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>budget: I haven&#39;t seen a keyboard yet ($400? more?) that was too expensive for me as a *professional work tool* that I use all the time, and reduces/prevents injury. Are there any full time professional mechanics, or carpenters that spend $30 on any of their central tools?</li>
<li>location: USA</li>
</ul>

&#x200B;

Outside the main questions:

<ul>
<li>(edit) I&#39;m not into soldering, and don&#39;t really want to learn (right now), and definitely don&#39;t want a new hobby/project, but do want a more ergonomic keyboard, right now.</li>
<li>Damn, I&#39;m having lots of regrets. I really really do not understand how in the 90&#39;s, there were people who worked all day, every day at the keyboard, and didn&#39;t think &quot;I should spend as much as possible for the best quality tool for this&quot; - *AND* share that outlook with everyone around them. But - like a lot of young people in a *LOT* of work contexts, particularly men, particularly in the US we say &quot;oh I&#39;m tough, this isn&#39;t a problem, it isn&#39;t going to be a problem, because I&#39;m tough.&quot; Or whatever. Total bullshit. I do think my current situation is a rather specific injury, rather than an accumulation of 25+ years of professional work, but even so.</li>
<li>Adding to the above, *every* employer should readily, willingly, and even eagerly set a budget of $500 every 3-5 years for a professional keyboard for every employee that is expected to use it all day, every day. Plus, of course, not skimp on high-DPI monitor(s) and computers with enough RAM and CPU *plus at least 20%* for their day-to-day tasks. Anything less is very short-sighted. But - unlike the computer/monitor situation, the cheap crappy keyboard now &quot;price&quot; is paid much later, typically. But y&#39;know.. this is the US and worker exploitation is rampant.</li>
<li>(edit, amendment) Is there a good reason to use baseboard PCBs for most/all of these? It seems like a large number of wires (wire loom) would allow *perfect* customization of they keybed, including spacing, dishing, ortholinear vs not, etc etc etc with a 3D printer. Call it &quot;mass customization&quot; if you will. I swear - if there was ever a time for mass customization, this is it. Of course, there would still need to be a PCB (or two) for the microcontroller(s), USB connector mount, LEDs etc</li>
</ul>
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Hi all! I'll start with my use, that's the most important part.

**Use:** I'm a psychiatrist. I started a job four months ago, working with a terrible electronic medical record program. Each time I write a note, I have to do the following:

\- click on a patient name, hit "start medical note"

\- fill out a form. Along the way I click various radio buttons (e.g. "service provided in English? y/n", and click into different text boxes to type in numbers or billing codes (e.g. # of minutes for patient encounter, # of minutes for chart review). Sadly tab functionality is poor and I can't tab through the form. I have to use mouse to scroll/select buttons/select text boxes.

\-- This part is hard because the numbers and billing codes are often alternating number/letter sequences - for instance, 99213GT or H2010SC. Because many codes use left/right hand keys, I have to alternate mouse/keyboard a lot - so I can't simply keep one hand on keyboard and one on mouse. One hand is constantly switching from mouse to keyboard and back.

\-- At the end of the form I write a long chunk of plain text (the actual patient note).

I also write a number of emails and orders during the day, using similar alternation between mouse and keyboard.

**Pre-existing:** the medical record program has put an unprecedented strain on my hands - never had pain in years of computer use, extensive writing, and gaming. But now I have pain in the thumb side of my right hand, and "floating" pain around my wrists and forearms. Exacerbated by thumb extension (e.g. texting on a phone) and days where I have a lot of mouse use. Hard to use a pen after busy days on the job.

I bought a Kensington trackball mouse which has helped my pain a lot, since I can now use my left hand (and other fingers) to move the mouse, thereby distributing the overall load.

**Current keyboard**: Microsoft Sculpt keyboard - good but awkward, I want a mechanical keyboard that gives me a more tactile response. I've used mechanical keyboards for gaming/long-form writing for years.

**Layout**: open to anything

**Budget:** up to $400

I bought a ZSA Moonlander which has not arrived yet. I feel like the programmable macros might be a good way to enter billing codes - having codes as a one- or two-button press instead of requiring back/forth hand movement would be very helpful. But I also see that some people really dislike the Ergodox. So are there other programmable keyboards that would be better for my situation?

<div class="md">Hi all! I&#39;ll start with my use, that&#39;s the most important part.

Use: I&#39;m a psychiatrist. I started a job four months ago, working with a terrible electronic medical record program. Each time I write a note, I have to do the following:

- click on a patient name, hit &quot;start medical note&quot;

- fill out a form. Along the way I click various radio buttons (e.g. &quot;service provided in English? y/n&quot;, and click into different text boxes to type in numbers or billing codes (e.g. # of minutes for patient encounter, # of minutes for chart review). Sadly tab functionality is poor and I can&#39;t tab through the form. I have to use mouse to scroll/select buttons/select text boxes.

-- This part is hard because the numbers and billing codes are often alternating number/letter sequences - for instance, 99213GT or H2010SC. Because many codes use left/right hand keys, I have to alternate mouse/keyboard a lot - so I can&#39;t simply keep one hand on keyboard and one on mouse. One hand is constantly switching from mouse to keyboard and back.

-- At the end of the form I write a long chunk of plain text (the actual patient note).

I also write a number of emails and orders during the day, using similar alternation between mouse and keyboard.

Pre-existing: the medical record program has put an unprecedented strain on my hands - never had pain in years of computer use, extensive writing, and gaming. But now I have pain in the thumb side of my right hand, and &quot;floating&quot; pain around my wrists and forearms. Exacerbated by thumb extension (e.g. texting on a phone) and days where I have a lot of mouse use. Hard to use a pen after busy days on the job.

I bought a Kensington trackball mouse which has helped my pain a lot, since I can now use my left hand (and other fingers) to move the mouse, thereby distributing the overall load.

Current keyboard: Microsoft Sculpt keyboard - good but awkward, I want a mechanical keyboard that gives me a more tactile response. I&#39;ve used mechanical keyboards for gaming/long-form writing for years.

Layout: open to anything

Budget: up to $400

I bought a ZSA Moonlander which has not arrived yet. I feel like the programmable macros might be a good way to enter billing codes - having codes as a one- or two-button press instead of requiring back/forth hand movement would be very helpful. But I also see that some people really dislike the Ergodox. So are there other programmable keyboards that would be better for my situation?
</div>

Currently in highschool and looking for something I can take to class with me. Maybe someone can help. 

It can be DIY, but nothing too hardcore.

\-No conditions other than aching fingers, intermittent soreness in my wrists and shoulders, and the occasional stabbing pain.

\- Currently running a drop ctrl with halo clears and a few zealios sprinkled in. Used to have a ducky tkl with mx browns and a corsair k65 with mx reds.

\- I've had my eyes on an alice type layout and the dygma raise caught my eye, but I'm open to suggestions. I really like my arrow keys. usb-c is my ideal connector, but I can cheat on it if needed.

\- Other people might use it and I'll carry it in my bag, so it'll be nice if it can take some abuse and is mostly standard. I typically code and capital "g" Game.

\- I have a budget of \~$400. I also live in the US

If you made it here. Thanks for taking the time out of your day to read this.

<div class="md">Currently in highschool and looking for something I can take to class with me. Maybe someone can help. 

It can be DIY, but nothing too hardcore.

-No conditions other than aching fingers, intermittent soreness in my wrists and shoulders, and the occasional stabbing pain.

- Currently running a drop ctrl with halo clears and a few zealios sprinkled in. Used to have a ducky tkl with mx browns and a corsair k65 with mx reds.

- I&#39;ve had my eyes on an alice type layout and the dygma raise caught my eye, but I&#39;m open to suggestions. I really like my arrow keys. usb-c is my ideal connector, but I can cheat on it if needed.

- Other people might use it and I&#39;ll carry it in my bag, so it&#39;ll be nice if it can take some abuse and is mostly standard. I typically code and capital &quot;g&quot; Game.

- I have a budget of ~$400. I also live in the US

If you made it here. Thanks for taking the time out of your day to read this.
</div>

* no pre-existing conditions
* currently using a logitech G110
* looking for everything in one:
   * portable (as I'm working from home occasionally and also gaming at home) or cheap enough to buy two (required)
   * split (preferred, but not required, though that seems to help with portability)
   * mouse controls ([thinkpad nipple](https://xkcd.com/243/), touchpad, trackball or something similar) (required, preferably the nipple)
   * tenting (preferred)
   * concave (preferred)
   * columnar staggering or matrix/no staggering
   * relatively quiet for conference calls & office work (which are the best switches for that?)
   * works with linux
   * programmable & layers etc (preferred, but seems common enough)
* use: coding, gaming
* budget: flexible (prepared to pay good money for good quality)
* location: belgium
* prefer to buy a complete keyboard rather than a DIY set, but rather a DIY set than 3D printer files

Things I've seen:

* [moonlander](https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/): looks great, but no mouselike thing or concave form, also unlikely to arrive this year
* [ergodox-ez](https://ergodox-ez.com/): same as moonlander, but less portable
* [UHK](https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/): has the mouse, but is a split regular keyboard instead
* [Matias Ergo Pro](https://matias.store/collections/ergo/products/ergo-pro-keyboard-for-pc-low-force-edition) nearly impossible to get in europe it seems, and worse than UHK
* [kinesis advantage](https://kinesis-ergo.com/products/#keyboards) missing mouse & portability
* [kinesis freestyle](https://kinesis-ergo.com/products/#keyboards) missing mouse & concaveness & staggered wrong

I've also seen several others, but they all seem to be missing quite a lot of my list, so I just listed a small grab

Am I missing the holy grail of keyboards? Or are there reasons that some combinations of features seemingly aren't available together?

<div class="md"><ul>
<li>no pre-existing conditions</li>
<li>currently using a logitech G110</li>
<li>looking for everything in one:

<ul>
<li>portable (as I&#39;m working from home occasionally and also gaming at home) or cheap enough to buy two (required)</li>
<li>split (preferred, but not required, though that seems to help with portability)</li>
<li>mouse controls (<a href="https://xkcd.com/243/">thinkpad nipple</a>, touchpad, trackball or something similar) (required, preferably the nipple)</li>
<li>tenting (preferred)</li>
<li>concave (preferred)</li>
<li>columnar staggering or matrix/no staggering</li>
<li>relatively quiet for conference calls &amp; office work (which are the best switches for that?)</li>
<li>works with linux</li>
<li>programmable &amp; layers etc (preferred, but seems common enough)</li>
</ul></li>
<li>use: coding, gaming</li>
<li>budget: flexible (prepared to pay good money for good quality)</li>
<li>location: belgium</li>
<li>prefer to buy a complete keyboard rather than a DIY set, but rather a DIY set than 3D printer files</li>
</ul>

Things I&#39;ve seen:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/">moonlander</a>: looks great, but no mouselike thing or concave form, also unlikely to arrive this year</li>
<li><a href="https://ergodox-ez.com/">ergodox-ez</a>: same as moonlander, but less portable</li>
<li><a href="https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/">UHK</a>: has the mouse, but is a split regular keyboard instead</li>
<li><a href="https://matias.store/collections/ergo/products/ergo-pro-keyboard-for-pc-low-force-edition">Matias Ergo Pro</a> nearly impossible to get in europe it seems, and worse than UHK</li>
<li><a href="https://kinesis-ergo.com/products/#keyboards">kinesis advantage</a> missing mouse &amp; portability</li>
<li><a href="https://kinesis-ergo.com/products/#keyboards">kinesis freestyle</a> missing mouse &amp; concaveness &amp; staggered wrong</li>
</ul>

I&#39;ve also seen several others, but they all seem to be missing quite a lot of my list, so I just listed a small grab

Am I missing the holy grail of keyboards? Or are there reasons that some combinations of features seemingly aren&#39;t available together?
</div>

Has anyone noticed reduction in pain across the top of the hands with any particular ergonomic keyboard?  I think I have been dealing with some tendon inflammation.  If so, recommendations?  The Kinesis looks promising.

<div class="md">Has anyone noticed reduction in pain across the top of the hands with any particular ergonomic keyboard? I think I have been dealing with some tendon inflammation. If so, recommendations? The Kinesis looks promising.
</div>

* Pre-existing conditions: none, and I don't want any
* Previous / current keyboards: ErgoDox EZ, various Apple keyboards, Kinesis Freestyle Edge Split Gaming Keyboard, Kinesis Freestyle2 Blue, Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
* Layout / form: see below
* Use case: software engineer. Vim and Emacs.
* Budget & location: whatever & Florida, USA

**Other preferences:**

* Heavy tent (about 45 degrees) and some negative tilt. I'm currently achieving this with my ErgoDox EZ by leaning it against some books, which works well enough but is not ideal.
* Split
* Mechanical with hot swappable switches
* Maybe concave like dactyl manuform, but I've never experienced that so I'm not sure, but it looks like it would feel good
* 4-6 usable thumb keys (imo only 3 of ErgoDox EZ thumb keys are usable)
* 6x3 because I think it's uncomfortable to reach up/down far, but if the board is concave and that makes it easier, I'd be willing to do 6x4 or 6x5
* Ortho-linear, or maybe columnar with staggered rows. I've never experienced columnar with staggered rows but that kinda makes sense in my head
* Bluetooth and wired (can charge and use at same time)
* Built-in mouse control (probably prefer a trackball)

If this is too specific, I'm willing to learn soldering, but I'm a bit intimated by it and would appreciate some very-beginner friendly resources.

<div class="md"><ul>
<li>Pre-existing conditions: none, and I don&#39;t want any</li>
<li>Previous / current keyboards: ErgoDox EZ, various Apple keyboards, Kinesis Freestyle Edge Split Gaming Keyboard, Kinesis Freestyle2 Blue, Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 </li>
<li>Layout / form: see below</li>
<li>Use case: software engineer. Vim and Emacs.</li>
<li>Budget &amp; location: whatever &amp; Florida, USA</li>
</ul>

Other preferences:

<ul>
<li>Heavy tent (about 45 degrees) and some negative tilt. I&#39;m currently achieving this with my ErgoDox EZ by leaning it against some books, which works well enough but is not ideal.</li>
<li>Split</li>
<li>Mechanical with hot swappable switches</li>
<li>Maybe concave like dactyl manuform, but I&#39;ve never experienced that so I&#39;m not sure, but it looks like it would feel good</li>
<li>4-6 usable thumb keys (imo only 3 of ErgoDox EZ thumb keys are usable)</li>
<li>6x3 because I think it&#39;s uncomfortable to reach up/down far, but if the board is concave and that makes it easier, I&#39;d be willing to do 6x4 or 6x5</li>
<li>Ortho-linear, or maybe columnar with staggered rows. I&#39;ve never experienced columnar with staggered rows but that kinda makes sense in my head</li>
<li>Bluetooth and wired (can charge and use at same time)</li>
<li>Built-in mouse control (probably prefer a trackball)</li>
</ul>

If this is too specific, I&#39;m willing to learn soldering, but I&#39;m a bit intimated by it and would appreciate some very-beginner friendly resources.
</div>

Hello!

I'm looking for my first truly ergonomic keyboard, I'm not really sure what to get as I can't really check many keyboards being based in Europe.

* **Conditions**: I've been fighting **pain** in both of my **wrists** for almost 20 years already, it goes away when I stop typing for 1-2 weeks, then come back swiftly after 3-4 days of working (I'm a programmer). EMG says no carpal tunnel syndrome. So it's just pure **RSI** I guess, for now. I'm trying to play with powerball and generally live healthy life, but the pain is there all the time, also using smartphone does not help :\\
* **Previous keyboards**: for most of my life I've been using "**standard**" keyboards, then **Macbook's** keyboards (non-butterfly) for roughly 5 years, then got **Apple Wired Keyboard** and oh boy, after 4 months I could barely type, it totally f$cked my finger joints, every key press felt like hitting concrete, I tried to try touch typing to save my joints and got **Corsair K66 with MX Red** switches in 2017, it's not ergonomic at all, but it allows me to touch type, which is not really that helpful because when I'm in a hurry (60% of the time) I bottom the keys and it's like hitting concrete all over again. So I guess I should go brown?
* **Layout**: I was pretty much sure I should get Kinesis Advantage2, but shipping to Poland is over $100 (compared to $0 for ErgoDox :o) and I'm not sure if it's the best pick in my case? I have fairly small hands (for a male) being 5' 7" (170 cm) and I'm wondering if split keyboard wouldn't be better.
* **Use case**: 8 hours a day of **programming** work, I also work with Photoshop so I need to use mouse a lot too (tried horizontal mouses and Apple Magic Trackpad 2 TrackPad but everything sucks after a while, I try to switch between MX518 and LogiLink Ergonomic Vertical Mouse - Logitech feels the same, at 5x the price).
* **Location & budget:** **Poland**, **flexible budget**, $500 with shipping sounds a little crazy for a keyboard tho. I want something that is going to save my career, right now I feel like I could go on for a year more, maybe. Pain in the wrists is still there, joints are much better even after bottoming MX Reds. DO NOT GET APPLE KEYBOARDS. Seen a doc, did some extra checkups, still looks like RSI.

<div class="md">Hello!

I&#39;m looking for my first truly ergonomic keyboard, I&#39;m not really sure what to get as I can&#39;t really check many keyboards being based in Europe.

<ul>
<li>Conditions: I&#39;ve been fighting pain in both of my wrists for almost 20 years already, it goes away when I stop typing for 1-2 weeks, then come back swiftly after 3-4 days of working (I&#39;m a programmer). EMG says no carpal tunnel syndrome. So it&#39;s just pure RSI I guess, for now. I&#39;m trying to play with powerball and generally live healthy life, but the pain is there all the time, also using smartphone does not help :\</li>
<li>Previous keyboards: for most of my life I&#39;ve been using &quot;standard&quot; keyboards, then Macbook&#39;s keyboards (non-butterfly) for roughly 5 years, then got Apple Wired Keyboard and oh boy, after 4 months I could barely type, it totally f$cked my finger joints, every key press felt like hitting concrete, I tried to try touch typing to save my joints and got Corsair K66 with MX Red switches in 2017, it&#39;s not ergonomic at all, but it allows me to touch type, which is not really that helpful because when I&#39;m in a hurry (60% of the time) I bottom the keys and it&#39;s like hitting concrete all over again. So I guess I should go brown?</li>
<li>Layout: I was pretty much sure I should get Kinesis Advantage2, but shipping to Poland is over $100 (compared to $0 for ErgoDox :o) and I&#39;m not sure if it&#39;s the best pick in my case? I have fairly small hands (for a male) being 5&#39; 7&quot; (170 cm) and I&#39;m wondering if split keyboard wouldn&#39;t be better.</li>
<li>Use case: 8 hours a day of programming work, I also work with Photoshop so I need to use mouse a lot too (tried horizontal mouses and Apple Magic Trackpad 2 TrackPad but everything sucks after a while, I try to switch between MX518 and LogiLink Ergonomic Vertical Mouse - Logitech feels the same, at 5x the price).</li>
<li>Location &amp; budget: Poland, flexible budget, $500 with shipping sounds a little crazy for a keyboard tho. I want something that is going to save my career, right now I feel like I could go on for a year more, maybe. Pain in the wrists is still there, joints are much better even after bottoming MX Reds. DO NOT GET APPLE KEYBOARDS. Seen a doc, did some extra checkups, still looks like RSI.</li>
</ul>
</div>

Pre-existing conditions: none. I enjoy the flexibility of two split halves that can be placed however I want it.

Previous keyboards: Ergodox EZ with silent red MX switches for about 10 months now (at work). What I like:

- the flexibility of how I can angle and position the two halves. 
- silent red switches; definitely much better than the membrane domes, but I don't think I have a switch preference as of yet and am willing to experiment.

What I'm neutral about: 

- the ortho layout; in other words, I personally haven't felt any "gains" from using it instead of a staggered layout. 
- lack of a dedicated F-row slightly bothers me, but only slightly as only one application I use makes use of them. 

I dislike the thumb cluster. I did not realize that the thumb cluster would be as far away as it really is; my fingers are not as long as I thought they'd be.

Layout/form in mind: 75% at the smallest. I like the number of keys on the Ergodox EZ. 

Use case: gaming and prose typing

Budget: USD400 max, ship to UAE

---

I've also made a list of the various split mech. keyboards that have caught my eye and the potential likes and dislikes solely going by reviews and product descriptions. 

Kinesis Gaming Freestyle Edge

- closest to TKL, along with dedicated macro keys
- all hard-wired connections; questionable repairability and unknown cable lifespan (as seen here: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11631/kinesis_freestyle_edge_gaming_16.jpg)

Moonlander

- more compact than the Ergodox; removes the 1.5x key columns closest to the thumb cluster
- sole left side one-handed mode possible 
- removable, non-proprietary cables (USB-C from keyboard to computer and TRRS from half to half)
- questionable thumb cluster distance and usability; I'm not fully convinced on the hinge and angle adjustment

Dygma Raise

- questionable thumb button placement under space bar
- uses a mandatory? dongle to connect the two halves
- US layout white model sold out, restock TBA

<div class="md">Pre-existing conditions: none. I enjoy the flexibility of two split halves that can be placed however I want it.

Previous keyboards: Ergodox EZ with silent red MX switches for about 10 months now (at work). What I like:

<ul>
<li>the flexibility of how I can angle and position the two halves. </li>
<li>silent red switches; definitely much better than the membrane domes, but I don&#39;t think I have a switch preference as of yet and am willing to experiment.</li>
</ul>

What I&#39;m neutral about: 

<ul>
<li>the ortho layout; in other words, I personally haven&#39;t felt any &quot;gains&quot; from using it instead of a staggered layout. </li>
<li>lack of a dedicated F-row slightly bothers me, but only slightly as only one application I use makes use of them. </li>
</ul>

I dislike the thumb cluster. I did not realize that the thumb cluster would be as far away as it really is; my fingers are not as long as I thought they&#39;d be.

Layout/form in mind: 75% at the smallest. I like the number of keys on the Ergodox EZ. 

Use case: gaming and prose typing

Budget: USD400 max, ship to UAE

<hr/>

I&#39;ve also made a list of the various split mech. keyboards that have caught my eye and the potential likes and dislikes solely going by reviews and product descriptions. 

Kinesis Gaming Freestyle Edge

<ul>
<li>closest to TKL, along with dedicated macro keys</li>
<li>all hard-wired connections; questionable repairability and unknown cable lifespan (as seen here: <a href="https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11631/kinesis_freestyle_edge_gaming_16.jpg">https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11631/kinesis_freestyle_edge_gaming_16.jpg</a>)</li>
</ul>

Moonlander

<ul>
<li>more compact than the Ergodox; removes the 1.5x key columns closest to the thumb cluster</li>
<li>sole left side one-handed mode possible </li>
<li>removable, non-proprietary cables (USB-C from keyboard to computer and TRRS from half to half)</li>
<li>questionable thumb cluster distance and usability; I&#39;m not fully convinced on the hinge and angle adjustment</li>
</ul>

Dygma Raise

<ul>
<li>questionable thumb button placement under space bar</li>
<li>uses a mandatory? dongle to connect the two halves</li>
<li>US layout white model sold out, restock TBA</li>
</ul>
</div>

I've got a couple "mass market" split keyboards: the kinesis freestyle 2 and the more recent Goldtouch v2. I use both, but prefer the kinesis for key feel (cherry mx browns I think?). This seems to be critical for managing my own symptoms.

I experience ulnar nerve symptoms - mostly numbness on pinky and ring finger, as well as some wrist and non trivial shoulder discomfort (as well as lower back / sciatic type numbness), but no diagnosis. Currently I manage this reasonably well but it could be better. Also a tricky right base thumb joint - I think exacerbated by android swipy keyboard use.

The Goldtouch is more portable, and I like that. I had a Goldtouch Go!2, but it wasn't sturdy enough - I didn't use it much and gave it to a friend.

I'd like something portable - ideally with bluetooth or another wireless solution. Key actuation is critical (not too much force, ideally tactile), as well as neutral wrist position.

Any obvious recommendations? My guess is that wireless may narrow the field more towards one of the major brands.

Oh, and I do a combination of coding and writing (including a fair amount of email and chat, but also long form academic writing and technical docs). I'm in central Arizona.

<div class="md">I&#39;ve got a couple &quot;mass market&quot; split keyboards: the kinesis freestyle 2 and the more recent Goldtouch v2. I use both, but prefer the kinesis for key feel (cherry mx browns I think?). This seems to be critical for managing my own symptoms.

I experience ulnar nerve symptoms - mostly numbness on pinky and ring finger, as well as some wrist and non trivial shoulder discomfort (as well as lower back / sciatic type numbness), but no diagnosis. Currently I manage this reasonably well but it could be better. Also a tricky right base thumb joint - I think exacerbated by android swipy keyboard use.

The Goldtouch is more portable, and I like that. I had a Goldtouch Go!2, but it wasn&#39;t sturdy enough - I didn&#39;t use it much and gave it to a friend.

I&#39;d like something portable - ideally with bluetooth or another wireless solution. Key actuation is critical (not too much force, ideally tactile), as well as neutral wrist position.

Any obvious recommendations? My guess is that wireless may narrow the field more towards one of the major brands.

Oh, and I do a combination of coding and writing (including a fair amount of email and chat, but also long form academic writing and technical docs). I&#39;m in central Arizona.
</div>

Hi! I'm looking for suggestions:

* pre-existing conditions: pain in the right middle finger around metacarpophalangeal joint. The pain has been there for around 10 years.

* previous / current keyboards: I'm using a wasd v2 with blue switches.

* layout / form in mind: I was thinking mostly in a split keyboard. My hands are big, and every keyboard I feel I have my hands in awkward positions. I need a keyboard that allows international layout (Spanish-Latinamerica; I need the "ñ").

* use case: mostly writing, coding (but that's a hobby), and little gaming (I rather use controllers)

* budget and/or location: I live in Chile, South America. I don't have a specific, and also I have built keyboards before, so I wouldn't mind to buy a kit.

Also, my idea was something like: mechanical split keyboard that it's equivalent to a 105/88 keys. I was thinking on an ergodox, but I'm not sure about the "straight" keys and also I'm not sure if I can put a full spanish/latam layout.

<div class="md">Hi! I&#39;m looking for suggestions:

<ul>
<li>pre-existing conditions: pain in the right middle finger around metacarpophalangeal joint. The pain has been there for around 10 years.</li>
<li>previous / current keyboards: I&#39;m using a wasd v2 with blue switches.</li>
<li>layout / form in mind: I was thinking mostly in a split keyboard. My hands are big, and every keyboard I feel I have my hands in awkward positions. I need a keyboard that allows international layout (Spanish-Latinamerica; I need the &quot;ñ&quot;).</li>
<li>use case: mostly writing, coding (but that&#39;s a hobby), and little gaming (I rather use controllers)</li>
<li>budget and/or location: I live in Chile, South America. I don&#39;t have a specific, and also I have built keyboards before, so I wouldn&#39;t mind to buy a kit.</li>
</ul>

Also, my idea was something like: mechanical split keyboard that it&#39;s equivalent to a 105/88 keys. I was thinking on an ergodox, but I&#39;m not sure about the &quot;straight&quot; keys and also I&#39;m not sure if I can put a full spanish/latam layout.
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I am looking for a smaller ergo keyboard to build, right now I have a non-tenting ergodox that I built myself but I kind of want to go smaller.  I am looking at either the Corne or the Kyria, but I am leaning towards the Kyria.

* Pre-existing conditions: large hands and long fingers, plus the occasional carpal tunnel pain in my forearms and pinkys
* Current Keyboard: Ergodox
* Layout: Split, either Corne or Kyria
* Use: Coding and gaming
* Budget/Location: Not sure yet, USA.

<div class="md">I am looking for a smaller ergo keyboard to build, right now I have a non-tenting ergodox that I built myself but I kind of want to go smaller. I am looking at either the Corne or the Kyria, but I am leaning towards the Kyria.

<ul>
<li>Pre-existing conditions: large hands and long fingers, plus the occasional carpal tunnel pain in my forearms and pinkys</li>
<li>Current Keyboard: Ergodox</li>
<li>Layout: Split, either Corne or Kyria</li>
<li>Use: Coding and gaming</li>
<li>Budget/Location: Not sure yet, USA.</li>
</ul>
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Lord bless and keep this sub and sticky.  It was exactly what I was looking for.

Pre-existing conditions: occasional chilledness in right hand.  No actual condition - had an EMG done, MRIs, etc.  Not carpal tunnel.  Mitigated by occasional wearing of a hand brace until it goes away.

Current/prev keyboards: Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 and previous generations of the same style

Layout/form: Similar to the 4000 is fine, but I'm doing a stand/sit desk for an unrelated condition (can't type with your lumbar) so I need the wrist edge to come up a little more, and TBH, I really like my non-ergo mech keyboard.  I'd love it if I could get cool keycaps for it but priority one is ergo mech.  

Use case: general purpose office use.  I am not a coder, I'm happy with a 104 key layout.  I do like having a numeric keypad occasionally but it's not a dealbreaker if I have to get an external USB keypad.

Budget: Trying to keep it at $200 max.  Located in New Jersey, USA.

<div class="md">Lord bless and keep this sub and sticky. It was exactly what I was looking for.

Pre-existing conditions: occasional chilledness in right hand. No actual condition - had an EMG done, MRIs, etc. Not carpal tunnel. Mitigated by occasional wearing of a hand brace until it goes away.

Current/prev keyboards: Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 and previous generations of the same style

Layout/form: Similar to the 4000 is fine, but I&#39;m doing a stand/sit desk for an unrelated condition (can&#39;t type with your lumbar) so I need the wrist edge to come up a little more, and TBH, I really like my non-ergo mech keyboard. I&#39;d love it if I could get cool keycaps for it but priority one is ergo mech. 

Use case: general purpose office use. I am not a coder, I&#39;m happy with a 104 key layout. I do like having a numeric keypad occasionally but it&#39;s not a dealbreaker if I have to get an external USB keypad.

Budget: Trying to keep it at $200 max. Located in New Jersey, USA.
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 *pre-existing conditions*: Pain in my left pinkie.  The joints of my pinky are a little doubled/bent (genetic per-disposition?).  In the past I have had some more generic wrist pain, but it has thankfully been a while since that flared up.  Between some chronic knee pain and standing desks I don't think anything built around foot pedals would work for me.

 *previous / current keyboards*: Mostly on a Das Keyboard Pro (residual from a StarCraft phase) and laptop keyboard.  In the past I've used an old MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000.

* layout / form in mind* : I'm a heavy emacs user (emacs pinky!) and have a lot of bad chording habits.  That is I tend to try to stretch out my left hand and try to hit both alt/shift/control with my left pinky and another left finger on my left hand.   To open a new tab I hit Control and T with my left hand at the same time. I think that it would help to use my (opposite hand!) thumb for more of alt/control/shift.  Something like the Ergodox EZ seems reasonable.  Some of the keyboards that use thumb clusters seem to only have a handful of thumb buttons and since with emacs I need symmetrical shift/alt/control (all 3 keys available to both the left and right hand) I'm a little unsure how that would work out.  The Moonlander only had 4 thumb keys total for example, and "my thumb can't actually reach these keys" is a complaint I sometimes see about the Ergodox EZ.

*use case*: Writing prose; programming.  I'm okay with needing to take out another keyboard for games or whatnot.

 *budget and/or location*: I'm willing to spend dollars on keyboard, but not go down a 3d-printer DIY rabbit hole.  I'm okay with fiddling with some layout things, but intend to stick with QWERTY for now.

<div class="md">pre-existing conditions: Pain in my left pinkie. The joints of my pinky are a little doubled/bent (genetic per-disposition?). In the past I have had some more generic wrist pain, but it has thankfully been a while since that flared up. Between some chronic knee pain and standing desks I don&#39;t think anything built around foot pedals would work for me.

previous / current keyboards: Mostly on a Das Keyboard Pro (residual from a StarCraft phase) and laptop keyboard. In the past I&#39;ve used an old MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000.

<ul>
<li>layout / form in mind* : I&#39;m a heavy emacs user (emacs pinky!) and have a lot of bad chording habits. That is I tend to try to stretch out my left hand and try to hit both alt/shift/control with my left pinky and another left finger on my left hand. To open a new tab I hit Control and T with my left hand at the same time. I think that it would help to use my (opposite hand!) thumb for more of alt/control/shift. Something like the Ergodox EZ seems reasonable. Some of the keyboards that use thumb clusters seem to only have a handful of thumb buttons and since with emacs I need symmetrical shift/alt/control (all 3 keys available to both the left and right hand) I&#39;m a little unsure how that would work out. The Moonlander only had 4 thumb keys total for example, and &quot;my thumb can&#39;t actually reach these keys&quot; is a complaint I sometimes see about the Ergodox EZ.</li>
</ul>

use case: Writing prose; programming. I&#39;m okay with needing to take out another keyboard for games or whatnot.

budget and/or location: I&#39;m willing to spend dollars on keyboard, but not go down a 3d-printer DIY rabbit hole. I&#39;m okay with fiddling with some layout things, but intend to stick with QWERTY for now.
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 I am in the market for my first ergo mech keyboard and would love a split, I do some light cad work and gaming, with some photoshop and adobe premier sprinkled in from time to time. My current boards are not cutting it in terms of feeling relaxed when I play or work... I enjoy the wireless function of my current keyboard but it wouldn't be a deal breaker (I am a SFF guy, so less clutter on my desk is nice...) Currently all my peripherals are Logitech and wireless using the lightspeed tech. Key switches I tend to prefer tactile, do not like clicky... prefer a  quieter switch that has that nice oh you pushed something feeling. One thing i tend to do when Gaming (fps primarily) is angle my keyboard so my left hand feels a bit more natural.

* pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers; Sore joints in flingers, thumbs and writs occasionally burn a bit if I have been doing anything for more then an hour or two. I am 40 so /shrug comes with getting a bit older I guess...
* previous / current keyboards. 
   * Previous: K95 Platinum w/MX Cherry Browns - to big and bulky
   * Current: Logitech G915 TKL. love the wireless not a fan of the low switches... just feels to low and wrong.
* layout / form in mind. Would like a split ergo, been liking the looks of the Iris, Kyra, ErgoDox EZ (although it looks a bit to bulky)
* use case. Gaming, and light work loads
* budget and/or location, if applicable. 300ish Canadian Dollars (Alberta, Canada)

Soldering is not a problem, used to build high end custom lightsabers using proffie boards (Arduino) that were not much bigger then sd cards... so technical work isn't a worry for me.

&#x200B;

Thanks.

<div class="md">I am in the market for my first ergo mech keyboard and would love a split, I do some light cad work and gaming, with some photoshop and adobe premier sprinkled in from time to time. My current boards are not cutting it in terms of feeling relaxed when I play or work... I enjoy the wireless function of my current keyboard but it wouldn&#39;t be a deal breaker (I am a SFF guy, so less clutter on my desk is nice...) Currently all my peripherals are Logitech and wireless using the lightspeed tech. Key switches I tend to prefer tactile, do not like clicky... prefer a quieter switch that has that nice oh you pushed something feeling. One thing i tend to do when Gaming (fps primarily) is angle my keyboard so my left hand feels a bit more natural.

<ul>
<li>pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers; Sore joints in flingers, thumbs and writs occasionally burn a bit if I have been doing anything for more then an hour or two. I am 40 so /shrug comes with getting a bit older I guess...</li>
<li>previous / current keyboards. 

<ul>
<li>Previous: K95 Platinum w/MX Cherry Browns - to big and bulky</li>
<li>Current: Logitech G915 TKL. love the wireless not a fan of the low switches... just feels to low and wrong.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>layout / form in mind. Would like a split ergo, been liking the looks of the Iris, Kyra, ErgoDox EZ (although it looks a bit to bulky)</li>
<li>use case. Gaming, and light work loads</li>
<li>budget and/or location, if applicable. 300ish Canadian Dollars (Alberta, Canada)</li>
</ul>

Soldering is not a problem, used to build high end custom lightsabers using proffie boards (Arduino) that were not much bigger then sd cards... so technical work isn&#39;t a worry for me.

&#x200B;

Thanks.
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Hey everyone!

So I'm in the market for an ergonomic keyboard and I'm hesitant between two models.

Conditions: wrist pain on right hand, shoulder pain in left arm

Keyboards: cheap 75% and a DIY comet46 that lead me to discovering that I can't live without num row.

Use case: software engineering, still at school tho.

The keyboards I am looking for are the preonic and the lily58. I'm basically wondering if one is that much more better that the other in terms of ergonomics and usability as a programmer.

Thanks!

<div class="md">Hey everyone!

So I&#39;m in the market for an ergonomic keyboard and I&#39;m hesitant between two models.

Conditions: wrist pain on right hand, shoulder pain in left arm

Keyboards: cheap 75% and a DIY comet46 that lead me to discovering that I can&#39;t live without num row.

Use case: software engineering, still at school tho.

The keyboards I am looking for are the preonic and the lily58. I&#39;m basically wondering if one is that much more better that the other in terms of ergonomics and usability as a programmer.

Thanks!
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This is my first post, hope I have done everything right!

&#x200B;

* pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers.
   * I have really, really tiny hands. I can fit in the smallest adult gloves in the market
   * Even worse, my pinky finger length is only half of my middle finger. (Nothing losing, I just born this way)
   * My wrist got painful easily so I have a Logitech MX Ergo (trackball).
* previous / current keyboards.
   * Ducky One 2 Skyline Gray Frame PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Silver Cherry MX / Speed)
* layout / form in mind.
   * a split keyboard so I don't need to move my right hand back and forth between mouse and keyboard
      * I was looking into moonlander but they only have kalih for linear option, which I have never tried before
   * I use ten-key a lot so ideally I want a separate ten-key somewhere, but it doesn't need to be part of the split keyboard
   * I also type in Japanese and Chinese, but I guess it does not matter as far as I map the keys correctly?
* use case
   * Coding, writing paper, gaming.
* budget and/or location, if applicable.
   * Budget: sub 300 will be ideal but maaaaaaaaaybe 400 if it is too good to be true
   * USA

Edit: Adding input language requirement

<div class="md">This is my first post, hope I have done everything right!

&#x200B;

<ul>
<li>pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers.

<ul>
<li>I have really, really tiny hands. I can fit in the smallest adult gloves in the market</li>
<li>Even worse, my pinky finger length is only half of my middle finger. (Nothing losing, I just born this way)</li>
<li>My wrist got painful easily so I have a Logitech MX Ergo (trackball).</li>
</ul></li>
<li>previous / current keyboards.

<ul>
<li>Ducky One 2 Skyline Gray Frame PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Silver Cherry MX / Speed)</li>
</ul></li>
<li>layout / form in mind.

<ul>
<li>a split keyboard so I don&#39;t need to move my right hand back and forth between mouse and keyboard

<ul>
<li>I was looking into moonlander but they only have kalih for linear option, which I have never tried before</li>
</ul></li>
<li>I use ten-key a lot so ideally I want a separate ten-key somewhere, but it doesn&#39;t need to be part of the split keyboard</li>
<li>I also type in Japanese and Chinese, but I guess it does not matter as far as I map the keys correctly?</li>
</ul></li>
<li>use case

<ul>
<li>Coding, writing paper, gaming.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>budget and/or location, if applicable.

<ul>
<li>Budget: sub 300 will be ideal but maaaaaaaaaybe 400 if it is too good to be true</li>
<li>USA</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

Edit: Adding input language requirement
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Hello! I'm a software engineer scoping an ergonomic keyboard purchase.

A few factors:

* I'm looking to get an already assembled product rather than a kit that I have to solder
* Good quality, customer support and a solid warranty are all important, as I want it to be an investment (not asking for 12+ years of use but I do not want a $300+ keyboard that will likely break from regular use within 1.5 years).
* Oddly enough, I do not yet touch-type; for the last 20+ years I've been doing this weird 30wpm hunt-and-peck with 1-3 of my fingers in each hand, looking at the keyboard every few strokes. I intend to couple learning how to touch-type with getting used to the new keyboard.
* I'm sort-of built like an American football player (fairly broad shoulders, so even the MS Sculpt forces my wrists to bend outwards). If I lay my forearms on my desk straight (no inward curving, 90 degree vertical angle) where I feel no tension on my elbows and my shoulders are not slouched forward to compensate, the gap between my hands is about \~20" (\~50cm), so I'm thinking a split design is a must.
* I do not care about RGB

The questions from the template:

* Pre-existing conditions: wrist pain, tension/tiredness on the tendons on the top of my hand, the last joint of my left pinkie doesn't bend (childhood injury)
* Current keyboards: Microsoft Sculpt for the last 2 or 3 years
* Layout: I'm really open; since I do not yet touch-type I'm not attached to QWERTY (kinda leaning towards Colemak).
* Use case: software development (8+ hrs/day), some gaming
* Budget: \~350 USD but lower would be better and a factor in the purchasing decision
* Location: USA

What products out there match the most checkboxes in my list? I've been looking at dactyl-style designs. I almost pulled the trigger on an Advantage2 but decided it wasn't wide enough for me.

Thanks in advance for your advice!

<div class="md">Hello! I&#39;m a software engineer scoping an ergonomic keyboard purchase.

A few factors:

<ul>
<li>I&#39;m looking to get an already assembled product rather than a kit that I have to solder</li>
<li>Good quality, customer support and a solid warranty are all important, as I want it to be an investment (not asking for 12+ years of use but I do not want a $300+ keyboard that will likely break from regular use within 1.5 years).</li>
<li>Oddly enough, I do not yet touch-type; for the last 20+ years I&#39;ve been doing this weird 30wpm hunt-and-peck with 1-3 of my fingers in each hand, looking at the keyboard every few strokes. I intend to couple learning how to touch-type with getting used to the new keyboard.</li>
<li>I&#39;m sort-of built like an American football player (fairly broad shoulders, so even the MS Sculpt forces my wrists to bend outwards). If I lay my forearms on my desk straight (no inward curving, 90 degree vertical angle) where I feel no tension on my elbows and my shoulders are not slouched forward to compensate, the gap between my hands is about ~20&quot; (~50cm), so I&#39;m thinking a split design is a must.</li>
<li>I do not care about RGB</li>
</ul>

The questions from the template:

<ul>
<li>Pre-existing conditions: wrist pain, tension/tiredness on the tendons on the top of my hand, the last joint of my left pinkie doesn&#39;t bend (childhood injury)</li>
<li>Current keyboards: Microsoft Sculpt for the last 2 or 3 years</li>
<li>Layout: I&#39;m really open; since I do not yet touch-type I&#39;m not attached to QWERTY (kinda leaning towards Colemak).</li>
<li>Use case: software development (8+ hrs/day), some gaming</li>
<li>Budget: ~350 USD but lower would be better and a factor in the purchasing decision</li>
<li>Location: USA</li>
</ul>

What products out there match the most checkboxes in my list? I&#39;ve been looking at dactyl-style designs. I almost pulled the trigger on an Advantage2 but decided it wasn&#39;t wide enough for me.

Thanks in advance for your advice!
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To keep information and suggestions in a single place, ask your questions here. It will be helpful to you and people who want to answer if you state:

- pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers.

- previous / current keyboards.

- layout / form in mind.

- use case.

- budget and/or location, if applicable.

Also, to keep the thread less cluttered, please the direct replies to this post only asking for suggestions and/or questions.

I will stick this thread as long as possible.

Thanks.

<div class="md">To keep information and suggestions in a single place, ask your questions here. It will be helpful to you and people who want to answer if you state:

<ul>
<li>pre-existing conditions of your arms, hand, and fingers.</li>
<li>previous / current keyboards.</li>
<li>layout / form in mind.</li>
<li>use case.</li>
<li>budget and/or location, if applicable.</li>
</ul>

Also, to keep the thread less cluttered, please the direct replies to this post only asking for suggestions and/or questions.

I will stick this thread as long as possible.

Thanks.

previous thread: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/f0e612/which_keyboard_should_i_use">https://www.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/f0e612/which_keyboard_should_i_use</a>
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